In the fourth of our ‘Reflection Series’, host Matt Phillips is joined by Daniel Williams, Movement Therapist & DNM/MI educator, who reflects on Ep.64 ‘Motivational Interviewing For Client Communication’, recorded back in August 2021 with guest Dr Gary Mendoza.

When Dr Gary Mendoza retired from delivering his Motivational Interviewing (MI) & Behaviour Change CPD course in 2022, Daniel Williams had already been working with Dr Mendoza to prepare for taking over delivery of the course, which included studying with the original co-founder of Motivational Interviewing, Dr Stephen Rollnick.

Now in 2025, Daniel Williams delivers the Motivational Interviewing & Behaviour Change course alongside his other passion – ‘Dermoneuromodulation’ (DNM) – a structured, interactive approach to manual therapy developed by Diane Jacobs, that considers the nervous system of the patient from skin cell to sense of self.

In this podcast episode, Daniel discusses the nuances of MI, including its role in guiding rather than fixing clients, and how it fosters authentic and empathetic engagements. Daniel elaborates on the shift from the “Righting Reflex” to a more collaborative approach, offering practical tips for therapists to improve their interaction skills during therapy sessions.

This episode is ideal for therapists seeking to refine their communication techniques, emphasizing listening, understanding client motivations, and the profound effect these skills have on therapy outcomes.